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Post by Ring on Feb 5, 2015 13:56:50 GMT -5
As we all know, What You Want was an underperformance. The main two reasons for this IMO are:
1. Wind-Up couldn't have been bothered to promote it properly. 2. It couldn't really fit under the definition of neither pop nor rock, which means the song didn't really have an audience to cater to.
What do you think would have been a better lead single choice?
I personally think Made of Stone should have been the lead single. It was full-on rock which means the song would've been a much bigger hit with the rock audiences. Even if they really did want to have a pop lead single, The Change or Say You Will would have worked much better IMO.
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Post by Rarkphoenix on Feb 5, 2015 14:52:55 GMT -5
Never Go Back, but mostly because I love playing this to my metalhead friends when they express their confusion that my favourite band is that "mainstream band that did that shitty Bring Me To Life song". Yep, they're more than a one trick pony If not that, then I think they should have brought MHIB out first. It's just such a simple, but incredible piece of music, and I know people who are still stumbling across it now and realising how good it is. If they had brought that out and publicised it prior to the album release, I think the album will have done a lot better.
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Post by Christopher James on Feb 17, 2015 14:50:37 GMT -5
I agree a bit that what you want wasn't the best choice for a "comeback" single. I agree with the band however that it is a good representation of the music they made together. Personally I really think disappear should have been on the actual album as well as be the first single, tjw chorus is so catchy and the song rocks more than WYW imo. And LIP should have been second instead of MHIB. LIP was charting high around the time the album dropped so it would have made sense. However, I blame wind up and their lack of promotion for everything EV3. It's sad! It had so much potential!!!!
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Post by DeMarzi on Feb 17, 2015 15:47:13 GMT -5
I don't care what the first single was but Lost in Paradise should have been release immediately when the album came out (it was charting!) and Made of Stone should have been the follow up to coincide with the Underworld movie.
I personally don't think the album had a ton of potential for chart success but it could have done a whole lot better with the proper promotion. They gave up after WYW flopped.
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Feb 17, 2015 17:26:39 GMT -5
In my honest opinion, and I'm sure most of you will agree, the album didn't do well because of the crappy promotion that started happening when Everybody's Fool was a single.
Wind-Up should have listened to Amy and Ben and made Imaginary the 4th single and then EF the Promo single. Then when TOD came out, coming in with a bang, keeping it until Lithium dropped and then slowly declined on their promotion was a huge mistake. GE probably would have never been dropped if the promo was done right for SS and GE. And lastly, Wind-Up just effed up royally with Ev3. I liked that WYW was the first single, but like a lot of you have said, it didn't do well. Well, no wonder why it didn't do well... LIP was charting BEFORE the album even came out (or was it in the first week or so of release?). That should have changed automatically and they should have did a rush job, but made with quality, on making a video for LIP and push WYW to the side. Then as De said, made MOS the second single to coincide with Underworld. Then released WYW or made it a promo single with a video. And then possibly released MHIB. Amy even said the Wind-Up was giving her stupid promo ideas and she refused them. She also said she lost inspiration for any kind of video's after MHIB was released. I'm just glad she's independent now. The label might have even been a reason why it took so long to come back (well it was with scrapping the 2009 sessions - but I mean with Amy's thoughts/mentality).
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Post by Ring on Feb 18, 2015 4:17:49 GMT -5
On another off topic note, that really bothered me. Ev was just coming off a monster hit with My Immortal and they could have had another big single to finish off the era, regardless of if it was Imaginary or EF. But nope, after Wind-up got their money, they decided they didn't want to try and promote it. What the hell was even the point of going against Amy's wishes for the fourth single if they weren't going to bother with the promotion?
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Post by carolexodus on Feb 18, 2015 16:51:19 GMT -5
I agree, they should have taken advantage of the fact that MoS was part of a soundtrack. Lost in Pradise as the new My Immortal type of ballad for the casual fan would also have been a good option.
Or Oceans. After LiP, it's the most similar song to what the general public remembers from Evanescence, which is Fallen.
WYW was just too different from previous singles, super up-beat, plus the unusually optimistic lyrics.
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Post by X on Feb 19, 2015 2:44:05 GMT -5
Frankly, while Evanescence is a rock band, they do have a pop audience which I think were a bit neglected during Ev3. A lot of them don't know Ev3 or if they are even together anymore post TOD era. Wind Up should've went with a double lead single. Lost in Paradise for Pop and What You Want to Rock, with WYW being released first to see how it ends up in the pop market. If WYW failed in that market, which it did, they should've sent out Lost in Paradise to fill that void. Nonetheless, Lost in Paradise should've been the second single instead of MHIB. The Change is also another track that should've been a single. What the hell was even the point of going against Amy's wishes for the fourth single if they weren't going to bother with the promotion? Nothing, like how they made them change the sound of the album and hardly promotes it.
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Post by jessicawhatsername on Feb 20, 2015 16:47:44 GMT -5
I agree with all of you guys. Windup should be 98 percent of the blame here, going against Amy and the band's wishes for singles; crappy promotion after My Immortal, I am luckily glad Amy is independent now.
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Post by Rarkphoenix on Feb 21, 2015 7:00:25 GMT -5
Roll on the next album. Wind Up will have to try pretty hard to f' this one up ;P
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Post by Ring on Feb 21, 2015 7:42:05 GMT -5
To be fair, once Wind-up did go with what the band wanted (Sweet Sacrifice instead of All That I'm Living For as a single), they got their biggest flop at the time. Though that was probably mostly Wind-up's fault.
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Post by francis on Feb 21, 2015 13:16:45 GMT -5
I think the order of songs on Ev3 could've been better. It was constantly jumping from pop to rock to goth. I think the order should've been this:
1. Made of Stone 2. Erase This 3. The Other Side 4. Oceans 5. Never Go Back 6. Sick 7. End of the Dream 8. The Change 9. My Heart Is Broken 10. What You Want 11. Swimming Home 12. Lost In Paradise
Lost In Paradise should've closed the album. It's a beautiful song that completely sums up Ev's style. Oh well. What can we do now? Hopefully Ev4, (if there is one), won't be with Wind-Up and can have more success than Ev3.
I'm not hating on Wind-Up, I just feel like they could have done a better job getting Ev3 up on it's feet.
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Post by X on Feb 22, 2015 1:31:24 GMT -5
won't be with Wind-Up and can have more success than Ev3. Trust me, it's definitely not going to be with them lol I actually agree that the track order on Ev3 could have been arranged better, but I do love the way that Oceans, Never Go Back and Swimming Home are next to each other, they act out as the album's trilogy if you know what I mean.
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Feb 22, 2015 1:42:43 GMT -5
The next Ev album will not be under Wind-Up. Amy sued, it seems as though she won, and became and independent artist.
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Post by Ring on Feb 22, 2015 2:06:15 GMT -5
I think Ev will be even less successful in the future because they're now independent. They'll no longer have the money for promotion that probably only a label can provide.
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